‘The Nazis were right': What the leaders of Canada’s biggest ‘nationalist’ group really want
CBC
WARNING: This story contains distressing content, including racist, violent and antisemitic language.
The leaders of the country’s biggest white nationalist group believe that “the Nazis were right,” that a violent “race war” for Canada’s future is underway and that non-white people should be deported en masse “at gunpoint,” according to an analysis by the CBC’s visual investigations unit.
Second Sons Canada calls itself a “men’s nationalist club” dedicated to “health and fitness, camaraderie, activism and friendly support for those who share our values.” Official posts on Instagram, Facebook, Telegram and X show men gathering to train or to demonstrate, promoting the slogan “remigration now” and celebrating veterans and Canadian history.
But in compiling hundreds of transcripts from podcasts and livestreams posted by Second Sons Canada's leadership — and hosted on major platforms such as Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music and Rumble — CBC uncovered that the group’s official online presence reveals little about the true nature of the organization.
Its leaders welcome neo-Nazis into their ranks, call the official statistics of the Holocaust the product of “propagandists,” use racist slurs and say Canadian politicians should be executed.
Richard Moon, an expert in Canadian speech laws and professor emeritus of law at the University of Windsor, told CBC that several of the statements in these podcasts and livestreams would constitute hate speech under Canada’s Criminal Code.
Steven Rai, a digital research analyst at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, says the difference between the group's social media posts and the statements in its podcasts is calculated.
“This is a very deliberate strategy on their part to draw a broader range of supporters into the movement,” said Rai.
Among the key policy priorities for the group is “remigration,” in which non-white people would be removed from Canada.
In a video published by the group covering a November demonstration in London, Ont., Alex Vriend, the vice-president of Second Sons Canada, describes remigration as a set of policies that include giving people options to self-deport and create new rules to prevent abuse of Canada’s immigration system.
On his personal podcast, dubbed the RageCast, Second Sons Canada president Jeremy MacKenzie describes remigration as a violent, possibly deadly undertaking involving weapons.
“I think ‘remigration’ sounds too nice. 'Rounded up,' 'forced out,' bye-bye,” he said in a September 2025 podcast episode.
"Give me some guys and some weapons and we'll f—king get rid of them,” MacKenzie said in a June 2024 podcast episode. “We'll take them up … 'Get in the truck. You're going to the airport.' ‘Make me.’ 'OK' – bang! 'Anybody else not want to go to the airport? … I only had to shoot one, see? Easy.'”
The use of the term “remigration” is an example of Second Sons’ strategy to produce sanitized official communications that mask its true goals, said Rai.
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