'I didn't have much to lose,' accused killer says after striking Muslim family with pickup truck

Warning: This story contains distressing details:

More than 12 hours after a Muslim family was struck by a truck in London, Ont., on June 6, 2021, their accused killer sat shivering in a police interrogation room, telling a detective he didn't have particularly strong connections with anyone in his life. 

The murder-terror trial of Nathaniel Veltman in Ontario Superior Court in Windsor is in its second week. On Monday, the jury watched a police video of the accused speaking to London police Det. Micah Bourdeau the morning after the attack.

Bourdeau was in the witness box Monday as the video was playing.

In the footage, the accused says, "I would say I didn't feel like I had much to lose at all. If I did, I wouldn't have done it because there would have been someone else, but I didn't have much to lose."

Veltman said he spent a lot of time on the internet doing "research" about what he called media dishonesty and the role of Western governments in covering up crimes committed by minorities against white people. Even online, the accused said, he didn't interact with people who shared his views because he was worried about being put on a government watch list. 

"I was very paranoid about the feds," he told the detective. 

Veltman, 22, is charged with four counts of first-degree murder and one count of attempted murder, as well as associated terror charges. He has pleaded not guilty. 

Yumnah Afzaal, 15, her parents, Madiha Salman, 44, and Salman Afzaal, 46, and family matriarch Talat Afzaal, 74, were killed. A boy who was nine years old at the time survived. 

Prosecutors allege they were targeted because they were wearing traditional Pakistani clothing and were Muslim.

Bourdeau had interviewed the accused — the detective balked when defence lawyer Christopher Hicks suggested it was an interrogation — two separate times following the attack: for about 2½ hours until close to 4 a.m., and again starting at around 9:30 a.m. 

Questioned about why the interview was so urgent given the accused was in custody and his truck was secured, Bourdeau said it was impossible to tell if Veltman had been working with anyone or what else the accused may have been planning. 

"Our city has never seen anything like this and I would venture to say we didn't know what exactly we were dealing with," Bourdeau told Hicks under cross-examination. "We didn't know what we didn't know. We didn't know if there was further danger to the public, and I and the investigative team felt that it was imperative to find that out as soon as possible."

Bourdeau denied Hicks's suggestions that the overnight interview was an attempt to keep the accused "as uncomfortable as possible: giving [those in custody] no food, no water, a cement bed, keep them cold."